I have no moral problem with somebody staying in for the social or family connection but it seems like a mind grinding waste of time and believe me the boredom of the meetings gets worse the less you believe their puke inducing crap which they try to pawn off as deep spirtual information, which of course changes all the time, but you gotta do what seems best for you, life is short but being a witness makes the time go by slow.
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What's next
by DaCheech ini really hate this religion.
i feel sorry for all the followers.
when i speak to close witness friends, i try to plant seeds..... but no matter how much they agree on me on certain points.... the society is great and individuals are to blame.. i go to meetings, and wind up playing solitaire on my palm pilot secretly to avoid puking at the info.
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Michael Jackson to sell Neverland to the WT?
by moshe inrumors are flying that michael jackson will soon close the deal on the sale of his vacated neverland ranch to the watchtower society.
they are selling their ny city bethel properties and moving to a nicer climate due to the poor health of the aging bethel staff.
the ranch seems to be an ideal fit for for them.
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Neverland a fantasy place where people stay young forever and never die, hmmm I see the connection. Maybe thats where Russel got the idea.
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List of family/friends lost to the Watchtower cult? (suicides)
by hubert inafter reading about puternuts (ari) suicide, and also reading about sabine and js losing their daughter to this cult, i think it would be a fitting memorial, so to speak, to write a list of all the people we know who died because of this cult.
i also know that cruzanheart lost her dad to it, too.
i'm sure there are many here that can make a list of suicides brought on by the shunning/threatening policies of the watchtower cult.
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There were two suicides I heard about while I was at Bethel in the seventies, though I cannot recall the names, one Bethelite a night watchman at the Squibb jumped down an elevator shaft, Bethel called it an accident the police called it a suicide, another I heard about just before I went to Bethel a Bethelite jumped off one of the factory building to his death landing in a vacant lot across the street.
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What did you take with you when you left the organization?
by coffee_black inleaving the organization, it is like packing for a journey you can choose what you take with you, and what you leave behind (other than people).
there are things i chose to take with me.
for example, i have used the sales training to my advantage over the years.
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I took bad memories of Nathan Knorr and the mean people at Bethel and in the congregations that I served in. That was way back in the seventies and I am just talking about it with people on the internet now. I feel like I am returning from some kind of time warp where the people have all changed but the stories are the same. My first semester in college right out of Bethel I was attending college, I felt like I was walking on the moon my whole life a witness and now I was going to college with 'worldly people' and now I got called on to give an extemperaneous speech in front of a class full of students. I thought I would freeze but I got up and enjoyed it. I guess I did take one skill out of the JW's.
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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 1-29-06 WT Study (Decisive)
by blondie injehovah used many prophets...to warn...elijah was one such prophet.
jehovah's servants...god's people--only jws.
worshippers of jehovah.
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But Blondie as a pioneer nobody ever offered me a ride in a chariot. I had to stand on a street corner. I admire the scholarly work that went into this article but it's the Sabbath and so I will have to wait until another day to 'work' on a posting.
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What were you disfellowshipped for?
by Kristofer ini recently had a discussion with a witness friend (i'm a secret) and she claimed that witnesses only get disfellowshipped for being unrepentant for immoral acts.
i am curious to know from those who have been disfellowshipped, what was it for?
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For having a brain, a heart, and a soul
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House of pleasure /House of pain
by Boxed elder bugs infor me brooklyn bethel was a house of pain.
when i arrived they were remodeling the towers hotel which they had just purchased and they put me in a room with four other guys.
then they put me on the night shift in the bindery.
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Hi Steve I just read your reply to my Post. I was at Bethel from 73-74, and I started in the bindery days then went nights and finally went from the scaffold crew to the furniture refinishing shop at the Squibb, where I requested to be transfered out of there due to allergies to the paints and sprays. I was counseled by the elders for having to many different jobs? But I was then transferred to shipping. My name is Joel Hanson. Yes I do kind of like to keep my identity confidential to some extent because my brother is still a local elder and I pretty much have given up that he and I will ever talk, but I feel sorry for my neice she is currently at Bethel last I heard but I never got to know her because my brother and his wife shun me for being out of the Witnesses. Best Wishes Boxed Elder Bugs
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House of pleasure /House of pain
by Boxed elder bugs infor me brooklyn bethel was a house of pain.
when i arrived they were remodeling the towers hotel which they had just purchased and they put me in a room with four other guys.
then they put me on the night shift in the bindery.
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I'll have to reconsider my attitude and head for the nearest street corner with a brief case full of magazines, and a heart full of gratitude to the Bethel Big Brothers who planted the seeds of 'Newspeak' into my mind and from whose 'training' I can never escape. Your reply to my comment was very funny. BEB
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House of pleasure /House of pain
by Boxed elder bugs infor me brooklyn bethel was a house of pain.
when i arrived they were remodeling the towers hotel which they had just purchased and they put me in a room with four other guys.
then they put me on the night shift in the bindery.
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For me Brooklyn Bethel was a house of pain. When I arrived they were remodeling the Towers Hotel which they had just purchased and they put me in a room with four other guys. Then they put me on the night shift in the bindery. This did not work so well because during the day every day when I tried to sleep their were jack hammers and pounding all day long and finally when the work day was over my roomates returned home from work and turned on all the lights the t.v. and had all their friends over so I never slept for almost a year and started to become disoriented, depressed and more than a little nervous. The street noise also was disturbing, somebody was stabbed to death on the corner of our block and a number of the Bethelites got mugged at night in our neighborhood. You were suppose to carry ten dollars muggers money and if you didn't have it the muggers might beat you up and/or stab you as I heard I heard one Bethelite got knifed in the face. To complain about your health was to be considered to be spirtually weak so I went around dazed and sick for over a year, then you had meetings to attend along with Bethel entrance school and working six days a week, and the Bethel Watchtower studies and other Bethel functions such as the Gilead graduations and invitations to the homes of people in the congregations we attended, I attended a congregation in a neighborhood called Bedford Stuyvestand known for being a fairly high crime area, we were all white brothers attending an all black congregations and even if we were hicks we had to get hip to our surroundings fast. Bethel only provided me with one thin blanket and it was really cold in our rooms, that breeze off the East river in the winter was icy and I am from Minnesota where it gets real cold. Alot of the Governing Body and Bethel big shots drove around in new cars provided by the brothers but nobody cared if we froze at night in our rooms for lack of a blanket. The room itself was full of coakroaches when we first moved in, turn on a light at night and you had plenty of company, I named the biggest coakroaches- Frisky and Lube Jaws, two regular coakroach visitors in the night and I feed them. I once found an abandoned closet with a beautiful anitiques 20's dresser and brought it down to my room, when I opened the drawer it was full or roaches, they eventually cleaned up the Towers Hotel but never quite got rid of them. This is getting to long I'll return to the subject if anyone is intested. Oh the House of Pleasure is here with you on this board. Thanks
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My Dad died this evening
by Mulan ini thought i would let you know that my dad, passed away a little while ago, tonight, january 23. they called me at 6pm to tell me.
he had been failing rapidly for the past month, and had completely lost his hearing and was totally blind.
the dementia was extreme too, and he still knew me on thursday, but didn't wake up to know me in the following days.
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My dad is 93 and in an assisted care living home with dementia. Our relationship died when I quit the witnesses in the late 70's. My thoughts and prayers go with you. I can feel your pain.